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  change of position on DF'd persons?

  by refiners fire in

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  ummm...question re my mothers status...she got dfd 3 months ago and expected to be shunned.

  indeed, i told her she would be shunned.. but she reckons that everyone is being real nice, talking to her in the street, etc, has there been a change of policy?.

  ive been out a long time and would have expected shunning.. shes starting to think of me as a false prophet.

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  refiners fire

  Ummm...Question re my Mothers status...She got DFd 3 months ago and expected to be shunned. Indeed, I told her she WOULD be shunned.
  But she reckons that everyone is being real nice, talking to her in the street, etc, has there been a change of policy?
  Ive been out a long time and would have expected shunning.
  Shes starting to think of me as a false prophet.
  Someone explain current status on the excommunicated.
  Please!
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  STUPID-ASS WT QUOTES thread

  by TR in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  "jehovahs organization.... should influence our every decision.".

  "....idolatrous worshipers of a man made organization..." wt 12/1/1971 p.723.

  more dumb-ass quotes to come!.

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  ..."through his prophet Ezekial, Jehovah foreshadowed the office of a servant, designating him as one clothed with linen, with a writers inkhorn by his side who was delegated to go throughout the city...
  The man who filled that office,by the Lords grace, was Brother Russell..the office of 'that servant' has been filled by Brother Russell. This is not man worship by any means"...
  WT May 1, 1922 page 132.

  ...."The insistence that Russell had been 'that servant' led many to regard Russell in what amounted actually to creature worship....
  this attitude caused Rutherford to root out any elements of creature worship that might be left in the organization"...
  JW in the DP page 69.

  But really, youd have to be leary of any church that was run by a bloke called "Judge" Rutherford...wouldnt ya?
  What a wanker.

  Burn Rutherford. Burn!
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  Your Most Embarrassing JW Moment

  by Sky in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  im just curious about this:.

  mine is stupid, but thoroughly humiliating at the same time.. my mother made me wear high heels for the first time to an assembly when i was 15 years old.

  it was all snow and ice that day, but i made it inside fine without slipping.. during the first session, the naughty girl that i was, had gotten bored, so i decided to go to the restroom.. i guess the floors were wet or something, because i slipped and fell down about 17 or 18 steps.... head over heels, quite literally.. i landed at the bottome with my dress up over my head, showing off all my under "wares: lol!.

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  simple.
  I got baptised.2 weeks later I got asked to pray on behalf of the congregation.
  Stepped to the podium...and froze in terror.
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  experiences from the 2002 yearbook.....venting

  by flower in

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  2. friends

  if i have to sit here and listen to the father reading any more experiences from the yearbook i'm gonna puke.

  hes all happy cause they are such great experiences.

  they hold on so desperately to hear something exciting because their own daily lives are so bleak.

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  refiners fire

  Wish I was there. Together you and me would take those "hicks from the sticks" to pieces.Lol.
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  STUPID-ASS WT QUOTES thread

  by TR in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  "jehovahs organization.... should influence our every decision.".

  "....idolatrous worshipers of a man made organization..." wt 12/1/1971 p.723.

  more dumb-ass quotes to come!.

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  Hey TR. What kind of resources you got there? On disk? or original stuff?Most of mine is photocopies which I did myself from originals.
  Took me YEARS!
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  STUPID-ASS WT QUOTES thread

  by TR in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  "jehovahs organization.... should influence our every decision.".

  "....idolatrous worshipers of a man made organization..." wt 12/1/1971 p.723.

  more dumb-ass quotes to come!.

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  The most convoluted, incomprehensible article ever published in any Watchtower?.
  Here it is.

  WT December 1, 1971.
  "What its right condition means for us today"
  An interpretation of the 2300 days of Daniel. Too bizarre. Too fucked up even to attempt to quote it here.check it out TR.

  A classic.
  WT July, 1880. Article:"New and Old"
  ....."What was true at any time in the past must be true yet...if it is not true now, instead of being advanced light then, it was terrible darkness...We have sometimes been accused...that the way to advance was to displace the truth we learned yesterday by new truth learned today...we utterly repudiate the absurd charge"...
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  STUPID-ASS WT QUOTES thread

  by TR in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  "jehovahs organization.... should influence our every decision.".

  "....idolatrous worshipers of a man made organization..." wt 12/1/1971 p.723.

  more dumb-ass quotes to come!.

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  WT feb 1, 1971. page 69:
  .."Men of this world offer you nothing stable, nothing sure,their promises and predictions of better things have failed time and again"...
  Right there on the first page I opened.
  flick..flick..

  ..." we trust that your reading the rest of this magazine will help supply you with the LOGICAL answer"...
  WT june 15, 1972. page367

  ..."Bible chronology showsthat since the Autumn of 1914ce we have been living in the 'last days' of this system of things. Jesus Christ indicated that these 'last days' would not expand beyond the lifespan of the generation seeing their start"...
  WT October 1, 1972. page583.

  ..."One of the very deceptive entanglements of our day...the idea that
  in joining the one church, whose names are written in heaven,we should also join...some earthly organizations...which claim to represent that one, true church"....
  WT September, 1888.
  Article: "Be not entangled again".
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  Classic WT "Governing Body" article

  by refiners fire in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i may start a series, "classic articles".. this article is from the watchtower of december 15, 1971. title: "a governing body as different from a legal corporation".

  .."on friday morning,october 1,1971,the legal corporation known as watchtower bible and tract society of pennsylvania held its annual corporation meeting"..... fine, but here we go.. ..."at this meeting a question came up and was discussed from the platform.

  it was as to what the relationship is between the board of directors of the society...and the governing body...are they the same, identical, or are they different?".....

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  Of course this article was published at the very time of the actual governing body being created. 1971.
  As far as I am aware this is as much as the general masses of the organization were ever told.
  Towards the conclusion of the article it says:

  ..." How did this governing body make its appearance in recent times?
  Evidently under the direction of Jehovah God and his son Jesus Christ.
  According to the facts available, the governing body became associated with the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania"....

  Evidently?. According to the facts available?
  What do these terms mean?
  Evidently, they mean that there has always been a governing body running the org, but noone ever knew it. It has been an "invisible' governing body.
  The writer continues:

  ..."Annointed Christians became associated with that society...they rendered themselves available for special work of the 'faithful and discreet slave' class...thus a governing body made its appearance.
  This was evidently under the guidance of Jehovahs invisible active force...the members of that governing body were not directly appointed"...

  Evidently, again it was invisible, just like the Return of Christ.

  Anybody know how they jiggled the votes at the corporation meeting? Indeed, whether they DID vote?
  Of course, in 1971, being on the threshold of the 1975 'New World'
  it seemed an appropriate time for Jehovah to streamline his Organization into full 'theocratic' structure. The main change was the difussion of power within local congregations.Up to that time
  (correct me if I am in error here, I could be,)
  I believe there was an appointed congragation pastor, one man, this 'streamlining' introduced bodies of elders and rotating headship so that no man might become 'puffed up' with pride. Stamping out the last vestiges of pastorial authority, such an issue for the organization since Rutherfords day.
  
  All quotes from Watchtower , December 15, 1971.
  Article: "A governing body as different from a legal corporation"
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  CO&PO came to see me

  by GermanXJW in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i have been inactive for a year now.

  before that i was quite active, had only an average time slip but did a lot of things you cannot count.

  but i had read r.franz and the internet.

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  refiners fire

  Brother GermanJW.
  Lots of nice people in the org as you say, its a shame that personal affections are subsumed to organizational requirements of proper association. Loyalty to the org comes first, the org makes this so.
  It sounds, based on what you say, that there is no turning around the course you are on. I mean, it sounds too late for you to go back.
  Youre on a long journey now, Ive been DF for 18 years and...well...Im in this site arent I? trying to achieve some good out of the general nastiness of the whole experience. Good luck bro.
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  Classic WT "Governing Body" article

  by refiners fire in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i may start a series, "classic articles".. this article is from the watchtower of december 15, 1971. title: "a governing body as different from a legal corporation".

  .."on friday morning,october 1,1971,the legal corporation known as watchtower bible and tract society of pennsylvania held its annual corporation meeting"..... fine, but here we go.. ..."at this meeting a question came up and was discussed from the platform.

  it was as to what the relationship is between the board of directors of the society...and the governing body...are they the same, identical, or are they different?".....

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  refiners fire

  I may start a series, "classic articles".
  This article is from the Watchtower of December 15, 1971
  Title: "A Governing Body as different from a legal corporation"

  .."On Friday morning,October 1,1971,the legal corporation known as Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania held its annual corporation meeting"....

  fine, but here we go.

  ..."At this meeting a question came up and was discussed from the platform. It was as to what the relationship is between the Board of Directors of the Society...and the Governing Body...Are they the same, identical, or are they different?"....

  Well, the org is the channel of God, dont THEY know what, who and where the governing body is? Obviously there is no formal governing body. Why else ask the question?
  Next it says:

  ..."Such questions were due to the fact that it has been published
  in print that the Governing Body of Jehovahs Witnesses at headquarters
  is associated with the Board of Directors...does this make the Board of Directors the same as the Governing Body?"...

  So theyve published that theres a Governing Body running the Organization, but noone knows who is on this Governing Body, or even exactly what it is.
  A conundrum indeed.After all:

  ..."In the year 1944 the Watchtower magazine began to speak about the governing body"...

  So the WT has been talking, for 27 years about a Governing Body that doesnt even formally exist, and that noone knows who comprises the members there of.

  ..."Let us keep in mind that the governing body must be made up of dedicated, baptized Christians who are annointed...and who are to be united with the glorified Christ in the heavenly kingdom"...

  So the Governing Body has to comprise of men who are of the annointed class.
  But theres a problem:

  ...." Not all these present day members of the Society are spirit annointed members of the faithful and discreet slave class. At this writing there are just 450 members of the society, but less than half
  (200) of them are of the annointed remnant of the 'slave class'"...

  So. Now its clear. THe Society wants to create a Governing Body of spirit annointed persons but these have to be voted into office by persons who are not spirit annointed!
  Isnt that the Tail wagging the Dog? Isnt the Remnant supposed to be running this organization?

  ...." the question arises, can this majority of voters who are made up of such 'other sheep'....be voting in the members of the annointed governing body"...

  What a predicament!
  Anybody know how they got themselves out of THIS one?